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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
Well the simplest way to consider what my factoring research does is
that while mathematicians have traditionally focused on one type of
congruence I use two:
1. x^2 = y^2 mod S
2. z^2 = y^2 mod T
where T is your target composite and S is what I call the surrogate,
and the concept I call surrogate factoring.
A little while back rather than consider S as a whole I started
focusing on its prime factors, which is why I have a lot of equations
with
x^2 = y^2 mod p
as p is an odd prime factor of S.
That was a HUGE breakthrough to move from concentrating on S itself,
where I had control variables I called n, alpha and k, and would
puzzle over things like what was the way to pick k, to figuring out
how to get p.
And with the fundamental equations now known that completes the
foundation layer of surrogate factoring, and removes the need for
further brainstorming at this point, so there is no need for me to
discuss further.
Succinctly, the basic research phase on the primary layer is complete.
World seems ok, as my worst fears haven't realized, so I'm kicking
back, relaxing and moving to other problems as a MAJOR issue right now
is monetization of the web, or so-called Web 2.0 as it's coming up as
a bigger and bigger problem to get revenue flowing for creative people
around the world, and my current focus is on the biggest player, so
YouTube is the focus of problem solving efforts and that will take up
most of my time indefinitely.
Math research is done for this iteration.
James Harris |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 15, 10:57�am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy
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Odd, no one else had this fear.
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but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. �
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Duh.
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Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
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Please, don't keep us in the dark!
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Well the simplest way to consider what my factoring research does is
that while mathematicians have traditionally focused on one type of
congruence I use two:
1. �x^2 = y^2 mod S
2. �z^2 = y^2 mod T
where T is your target composite and S is what I call the surrogate,
and the concept I call surrogate factoring.
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Others call it shit.
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A little while back rather than consider S as a whole I started
focusing on its prime factors, which is why I have a lot of equations
with
x^2 = y^2 mod p
as p is an odd prime factor of S.
That was a HUGE breakthrough to move from concentrating on S itself,
where I had control variables I called n, alpha and k, and would
puzzle over things like what was the way to pick k, to figuring out
how to get p.
And with the fundamental equations now known that completes the
foundation layer of surrogate factoring, and removes the need for
further brainstorming at this point, so there is no need for me to
discuss further.
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Does it also remove the need to factor an RSA number?
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Succinctly, the basic research phase on the primary layer is complete.
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This isn't the first time you've said this.
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World seems ok, as my worst fears haven't realized,
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Duh.
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so I'm kicking back, relaxing and
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Getting drunk and singing to the walls?
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moving to other problems as a MAJOR issue right now
is monetization of the web, or so-called Web 2.0 as it's coming up as
a bigger and bigger problem to get revenue flowing for creative people
around the world, and my current focus is on the biggest player, so
YouTube is the focus of problem solving efforts and that will take up
most of my time indefinitely.
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Do us a favor and don't tell us about it until you're done.
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Math research is done for this iteration.
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And yet, we'll never stop hearing about it, eh?
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fishfry
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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In article
<4e4130cd-2a90-449c-98b7-534c92b0878b@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
JSH <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote:
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy
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man you have gone off the freakin' deep end. you honestly
believe/believed that? |
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Namehere
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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"JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
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About time you discovered encryption techniques that do not use factoring.
They have been around since the 40's
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Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
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you mean "personal foundation" layer.
<snip math>
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That was a HUGE breakthrough to move from concentrating on S itself,
where I had control variables I called n, alpha and k, and would
puzzle over things like what was the way to pick k, to figuring out
how to get p.
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picka?
PICKA!!
Picka n,
Picka k
Picka alpha
Picka S
Picka T
Picka Choo!!
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And with the fundamental equations now known that completes the
foundation layer of surrogate factoring, and removes the need for
further brainstorming at this point, so there is no need for me to
discuss further.
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Like Salvador is to Dali, Serriagoat Factoring is to JSH, foundation wise
that is.
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Succinctly, the basic research phase on the primary layer is complete.
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is this the primary foundation? or the foundation primary ?
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World seems ok, as my worst fears haven't realized, so I'm kicking
back, relaxing and moving to other problems as a MAJOR issue right now
is monetization of the web, or so-called Web 2.0 as it's coming up as
a bigger and bigger problem to get revenue flowing for creative people
around the world, and my current focus is on the biggest player, so
YouTube is the focus of problem solving efforts and that will take up
most of my time indefinitely.
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yea, I like to watch the crazys on Utube also. CBS will take over the Web,
Google will be a part of time warner.
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Math research is done for this iteration.
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let the foundation harden up for a few days, keep it wet so it cures strong.
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Lits O'Hate
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 15, 11:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy
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Yeah, a fear like that must be rough. I'll bet it's almost as bad
as your fear of the fact that you'll never succeed.
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Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
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Probably another set of vague gibberish, slightly resembling
math notation, that you thought of while on the crapper.
[vague gibberish, slightly resembling math notation, snipped]
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a MAJOR issue right now
is monetization of the web, or so-called Web 2.0 as it's coming up as
a bigger and bigger problem to get revenue flowing for creative people
around the world
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Who could possibly be better at using the web to make money? Heck,
just look at the boatloads of traffic you've managed to attract to
your blogs!
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that will take up most of my time indefinitely.
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Do you plan to find an appropriate newsgroup to discuss your new
efforts? Or will you continue to post to the math groups?
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Math research is done for this iteration.
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Don't let the two-dimensional tautological space hit you on the
ass on your way out.
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"My blogs get pathetically few hits." -- James Harris |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
I think the foundation layer goes on first, then blush or rouge, |
followed by perhaps a bit of glitter. Better ask your mom if you're
unsure though, as there's nothing worse than a tacky cross-dressser.
Good luck with that,
M |
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Rolf
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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"JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e4130cd-2a90-449c-98b7-534c92b0878b@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy
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yes that is very true, your work is so important to everything, so tied into
financial markets, except they use encryption not based upon factoring at
all,
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but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
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a foundation layer? i.e. victorian girly undergarments?
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that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world.
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yep, not even impacting your world. even that imaginary one over there =>
look quick!
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Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
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yep, new toasters are so hard to come by.
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Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
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makeup ? the power you put on first ?
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Well the simplest way to consider what my factoring research does is
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((((((*nothing*))))))
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that while mathematicians have traditionally focused on one type of
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**nope, Cryptologists, not mathematicians.
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congruence I use two:
1. x^2 = y^2 mod S
2. z^2 = y^2 mod T
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which reduces to a^2 = y^2 * C ,
where a^2 = x^2 - z^2
and C= (mod S - mod T)
try to think about it.
*trivial*
<snip crap math>
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And with the fundamental equations now known that completes the
foundation layer of surrogate factoring, and removes the need for
further brainstorming at this point, so there is no need for me to
discuss further.
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We are so glad you finally completed your foundation layer, and can move on
up to overall color balance.
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Succinctly, the basic research phase on the primary layer is complete.
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primate layer ? Monkey Math !! You will never complete Monkey Math, it is
what you do.
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World seems ok, as my worst fears haven't realized,
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......but you haven't published anything yet.....
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so I'm kicking
back, relaxing and moving to other problems as a MAJOR issue right now
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like where your marbles fell out ?
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is monetization of the web, or so-called Web 2.0 as it's coming up as
a bigger and bigger problem to get revenue flowing for creative people
around the world,
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try tiny adds in the back of newspapers
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and my current focus is on the biggest player,
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Google WILL hire you as lead independent researcher for Seirrasgoat
Figuering, then sell you to Microsoft to make their sails go down.
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so
YouTube is the focus of problem solving efforts and that will take up
most of my time indefinitely.
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From unknown minor math troll, to Utube watcher, approperate.
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Math research is done for this iteration.
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Actually it never started for you.
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porky_pig_jr@my-deja.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 15, 11:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
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JSH at his prime ...
Read slowly and savour every word of it. |
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Dudly
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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"JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
Well the simplest way to consider what my factoring research does is
that while mathematicians have traditionally focused on one type of
congruence I use two:
1. x^2 = y^2 mod S
2. z^2 = y^2 mod T
where T is your target composite and S is what I call the surrogate,
and the concept I call surrogate factoring.
James Harris
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so after years and years;
1. x^2 = y^2 mod S
2. z^2 = y^2 mod T
that is it ?? |
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JSH
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
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That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
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Ok, so what do I mean about the foundation layer?
Well the simplest way to consider what my factoring research does is
that while mathematicians have traditionally focused on one type of
congruence I use two:
1. x^2 = y^2 mod S
2. z^2 = y^2 mod T
where T is your target composite and S is what I call the surrogate,
and the concept I call surrogate factoring.
A little while back rather than consider S as a whole I started
focusing on its prime factors, which is why I have a lot of equations
with
x^2 = y^2 mod p
as p is an odd prime factor of S.
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A major problem as T increased in size though was, how do you pick p?
The larger the odd prime you used the better, but with larger and
larger primes the odds of picking one that would work dropped.
So I concentrated on using small primes with the Chinese Remainder
Theorem, but there was the issue of false positives (which may or may
not be resolvable as I didn't continue experimental research in that
area).
Now though I think there may be a simpler answer.
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That was a HUGE breakthrough to move from concentrating on S itself,
where I had control variables I called n, alpha and k, and would
puzzle over things like what was the way to pick k, to figuring out
how to get p.
And with the fundamental equations now known that completes the
foundation layer of surrogate factoring, and removes the need for
further brainstorming at this point, so there is no need for me to
discuss further.
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I'm evaluating the situation this weekend as I ponder what to do
next. It's a thorny problem with a lot of complexity introduced by
the continuing refusal of the mathematical community to acknowledge
this research.
The simplest answer, if possible, may be to develop a working program
and turn it over the United States Government.
I would suggest that mathematicians around the world re-think their
positions on this issue.
My major concern is that I will end up giving up on my dream of
restoring real mathematical research in number theory and leaping
humanity forward mathematically, and instead find myself at the heart
of military endeavors as my problem solving skills are turned instead
to activities that are invisible to the world.
If that happens none of your countries will have any chance of
competing with the US within your lifetimes or the foreseeable future,
and much of what I do will be invisible, but the impact will be
unstoppable.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 1:27 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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The simplest answer, if possible, may be to develop a working program
and turn it over the United States Government.
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what a great idea! may I recommend to develop the following program:
print "Hello world!"
The impact of such program on the world will be truly unstoppable. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 15, 9:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
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Becuase you HAVE no result, that's why! You were challenged NUMEROUS
times to dramatically demonstrate your result by factoring a very
large integer and you *never* did so. Because of that, why should
anyone be bothered to believe your claim?
Once again, I would like you to tell me what the factorization is of
any of those RSA numbers. Any one that hasn't been factored yet and
is too big to be factored with conventional methods on today's
computers. Do that and you'll have everyone a believer. Otherwise,
your claim is going to get _nowhere_. You say you have the algorithm.
Now why not go and implement it in a program, and run it over an
RSA number? |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
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Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!! |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
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Why? What would a demonstration prove?
___JSH |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 4:30 pm, rossum <rossu...@coldmail.com> wrote:
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT), "porky_pig...@my-deja.com"
porky_pig...@my-deja.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 1:27 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
The simplest answer, if possible, may be to develop a working program
and turn it over the United States Government.
what a great idea! may I recommend to develop the following program:
print "Hello world!"
The impact of such program on the world will be truly unstoppable.
I think not. The current US Administration might well see such a
program as dangerously close to expressing support for the United
Nations. A program that printed "Hello America!" would be more likely
to be accepted.
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That would include gays and immigrants.
Perhaps
print "Hello Whute Anglo-Saxon Protestant Heterosexual Republicans!"
might have a chance.
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