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Rupert
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 Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
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It would prove that you have something worthwhile. |
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rossum
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT), "porky_pig_jr@my-deja.com"
<porky_pig_jr@my-deja.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 1:27 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
The simplest answer, if possible, may be to develop a working program
and turn it over the United States Government.
what a great idea! may I recommend to develop the following program:
print "Hello world!"
The impact of such program on the world will be truly unstoppable.
I think not. The current US Administration might well see such a |
program as dangerously close to expressing support for the United
Nations. A program that printed "Hello America!" would be more likely
to be accepted.
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JSH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:17 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
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It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
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So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
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Rotwang
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On 23 Jun, 04:17, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
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It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes. |
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JSH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 8:29 pm, Rotwang <sg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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On 23 Jun, 04:17, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes.
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Yawn. And you do? If so, why are you replying to me now?
If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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"JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f0182e69-0dd1-4d1c-a150-f4e250f383c9@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 8:29 pm, Rotwang <sg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes.
Yawn. And you do? If so, why are you replying to me now?
If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
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Your admission proves you are only a troll, a "one trick phony". |
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Lits O'Hate
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 11:55 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
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Then what's your program for the US Government going to do?
--
"So why am I still alive? They don't know about me yet.
That's why. I guess maybe by tomorrow, they'll figure
it out. If I die though it's a small price to pay for
the future of humanity." -- James Harris |
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mike3
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 4:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
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That your algorithm indeed works as you say it does _and_ it is
something revolutionary, since a 2048-bit or 4096-bit number is
infeasible to factor with orthodox algorithms and current
computer technology. |
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mike3
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 9:17 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
___JSH- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
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Nothing. It just means there is no reason to believe your claim.
Do you want to be believed or not? |
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mike3
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 9:55 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 8:29 pm, Rotwang <sg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 23 Jun, 04:17, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes.
Yawn. And you do? If so, why are you replying to me now?
If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
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So you concede that your algorithm is not capable of doing this,
and so even if it works it is no better than conventional methods?
Thank you.
Concession accepted. |
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JSH
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 23, 4:41 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 9:55 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:29 pm, Rotwang <sg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 23 Jun, 04:17, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes.
Yawn. And you do? If so, why are you replying to me now?
If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
So you concede that your algorithm is not capable of doing this,
and so even if it works it is no better than conventional methods?
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I said, I can't.
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Thank you.
Concession accepted.
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Ok. If that will shut you up, then fine.
This thread was first about my loss of concern about surrogate
factoring and then I decided to hedge a bit by noting that I'd figured
out a way that could give you the odd prime p at the size needed.
My concern was that suddenly there was an easy route popping up, but
now I'm less concerned again.
The issue here is not about whether or not any of you knuckleheads
believe me but whether or not there could be a very fast factoring
method possible from this research that takes the world by complete
surprise.
That's it.
I do not care if I'm wrong. I sleep easier then. I am often wrong.
The exercise here was just a worry burp. I'm less concerned yet again
as I've done some theorizing on the subject and it seems to me that
still there would be low odds of getting the odd prime p that you
need, right?
If not, then, sorry world, I tried. Now I'm off to do other things.
If you want to celebrate my failure then fine. I fail a lot so there
is so much celebrating possible about my failures for people like you.
James Harris |
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porky_pig_jr@my-deja.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 23, 9:43 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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If you want to celebrate my failure then fine. I fail a lot so there
is so much celebrating possible about my failures for people like you.
James Harris
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Thanks for making our lives a constant celebration. Yeah! Let's
party!!! |
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Rupert
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 8:17 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:27 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:57 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
For years I've had a major fear that if I had a major breakthrough
with integer factorization it might have a very bad, negative impact
on the global economy but now as I finish out the foundation layer of
that research it is clear that my research is not impacting the
world. Yeah, the world is having problems but those are its own.
That was then and I still don't see how I'm impacting the world yet,
but my concerns have returned as I've solved the problem of finding
the odd prime p.
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
___JSH- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
___JSH- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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You clearly have a very strong desire to convince people that you have
made a significant contribution to the study of the factoring problem.
If you were able to factorise a very large number, this would be
absolutely irrefutable evidence that you had indeed made such a
contribution, and you know this perfectly well.
Yet you have not yet publicly posted evidence that you are able to do
this. This is overwhelming evidence that you are unable to factorise a
very large number.
That's what it proves. |
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Rupert
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 22, 8:55 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 22, 8:29 pm, Rotwang <sg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 23 Jun, 04:17, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes.
Yawn. And you do? If so, why are you replying to me now?
If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
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Yes, thank you. We are agreed on that point.
That's what it proves: you have not yet got to the point where you are
actually able to factorise any large numbers. |
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Rupert
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: Re: JSH: Diminishing concerns on factoring |
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On Jun 23, 6:43 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 23, 4:41 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 9:55 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:29 pm, Rotwang <sg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 23 Jun, 04:17, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:01 pm, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:50 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Without a real demonstration the only assumption that can reasonably
be made is your claim Has No Substance To It!!!!!!
Why? What would a demonstration prove?
It would prove that you have something worthwhile.
So what if I don't demonstrate with a factorization of a very large
number? What does that prove?
It proves that you don't learn from your mistakes.
Yawn. And you do? If so, why are you replying to me now?
If I could demonstrate with a large factorization I would have done
it.
I can't.
So you concede that your algorithm is not capable of doing this,
and so even if it works it is no better than conventional methods?
I said, I can't.
Thank you.
Concession accepted.
Ok. If that will shut you up, then fine.
This thread was first about my loss of concern about surrogate
factoring and then I decided to hedge a bit by noting that I'd figured
out a way that could give you the odd prime p at the size needed.
My concern was that suddenly there was an easy route popping up, but
now I'm less concerned again.
The issue here is not about whether or not any of you knuckleheads
believe me but whether or not there could be a very fast factoring
method possible from this research that takes the world by complete
surprise.
That's it.
I do not care if I'm wrong. I sleep easier then. I am often wrong.
The exercise here was just a worry burp. I'm less concerned yet again
as I've done some theorizing on the subject and it seems to me that
still there would be low odds of getting the odd prime p that you
need, right?
If not, then, sorry world, I tried. Now I'm off to do other things.
If you want to celebrate my failure then fine. I fail a lot so there
is so much celebrating possible about my failures for people like you.
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I would quite like to see you have some kind of success. That's why I
often encourage you to take the trouble to study some mathematics.
Anyway, I hope you find something worthwhile and constructive to do
with your time. |
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